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to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseeans aware, the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i'm sworn in this january. >> when i go to the con stech wents that have re-elected me. >> the pledge is for that congress. if i remember in congress in 1941, i would have signed a declaration of war against japan. the world has changed. >> but grover norquist does not think this world has changed. for republicans, who signed his pledge. >> are you going to want to exact punishment on them in two year, what? >> two things. there have been some, the folks whose pictures you put up there, some have engaged in impure thoughts. they haven't actually voted for a tax increase. we could ask president bush how his second term went after he broke his pledge. did he damage the pledge or by breaking his pledge, he lost a second term for the presidency. >> and this morning, even fox and friends were getting all philosophical about till death do us part pledges. >> i think you get into really difficult situations i
to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseeans aware, the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i'm sworn in this january. >> when i go to the con stech wents that have re-elected me. >> the pledge is for that congress. if i remember in congress in 1941, i would have signed a declaration of war against japan. the world has changed. >> but grover norquist does not think this world has changed. for republicans, who signed his...
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. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay more than 25%. >> today's republican party has imploded. >> they are in denial. >> they are looking for someone to blame. >> grover is no longer speaking for the party. >> they may not be willing to just die on this hill anymore. >>> good evening. i'm ezra cline in for lawrence o'donnell. the craziest thing is happening in washington right now. you've probably heard of the fiscal cliff or as lawrence likes to call it, the fiscal curve or as my friend calls t the austerity bomb. whatever you would like to call it, it does not look like it's going to happen. it doesn't just look like we're going to avoid a crisis. at this moment today, and this can change, it look
. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay...
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in fact, it will keep their pledge to grover norquist. as i said, if we go off the cliff in january, the pledge to grover will require, require all republicans to vote for the president's tax bill, because it will then be a cut of most income tax brackets. the treasury department is right now making plans for what will happen on the tax withholding tables on your first paycheck in january after we go off the cliff and all the income tax rates go up. the strategists at the white house and the treasury and the democratic leadership in congress believe that if we go off the cliff, they will then the be able to pass the democratic bill that cuts all of the tax rates back to where they are now, except those top tax rates and they'll be able to do that in a matter of days. the tax writing committee in the senate knows how to do this virtually instantaneously so nothing, nothing can give the democrats more power over tax policy than going off the cliff. you might see a few more bucks withheld from your january paycheck, maybe your first paycheck
in fact, it will keep their pledge to grover norquist. as i said, if we go off the cliff in january, the pledge to grover will require, require all republicans to vote for the president's tax bill, because it will then be a cut of most income tax brackets. the treasury department is right now making plans for what will happen on the tax withholding tables on your first paycheck in january after we go off the cliff and all the income tax rates go up. the strategists at the white house and the...
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. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show kno
. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height....
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grover norquist, persona non grata. karl rove, completely unwelcomed in many corners in which he was star in the sun king. i think as people are feeling that, you're sensing that they really need to rethink in both short term and long term what kind of a republican party can they be? >> okay. donna gentile-o'donnell and michael eric dyson. professor, great to have you with us tonight. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay tuned. >> we're not going to implement obama care in florida. >> we're going to continue to push back on washington, d.c. >> add new jersey and south dakota to the list of states where republican governors are still fighting obama care. i'll ask howard dean what this means for the people. >>> i know you are, but what am i? >> america's zaniest congressman takes a stand on a cause close to his heart. >> we shouldn't eliminate the word lunatic. it really has application around this town. >>> and apple's ceo breaks big news to brian williams on "rock center." >> we'
grover norquist, persona non grata. karl rove, completely unwelcomed in many corners in which he was star in the sun king. i think as people are feeling that, you're sensing that they really need to rethink in both short term and long term what kind of a republican party can they be? >> okay. donna gentile-o'donnell and michael eric dyson. professor, great to have you with us tonight. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay tuned....
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limbaugh stands by grover norquist. listen to this. >> a friend of mine sends me a note and says, listen, there's going to be pressure brought to drive a wedge between you and grover norquist. >> i steadfastly oppose tax increases on one group of americans. if we're going to raise taxes, we are going to do them on everybody. i don't think everybody's taxes ought to be raised. >> now, is this what they are afraid of, grover norquist, rush limbaugh, governor? is this because they feel they have an undue influence on their base, especially mr. limbaugh? >> yeah, there's no question. look, every rational thinking in mrk, no matter what side they are on, they know that they have got to do something about the debt and it's got to include revenue. if you get rid of a tax loophole, that's raising taxes. he sent a letter to tom cobuln and said you can't do that because when you eliminate a tax loophole that's eliminating taxes and tom coburn sent a letter back sending him to pound sand and we need -- and i think representative e
limbaugh stands by grover norquist. listen to this. >> a friend of mine sends me a note and says, listen, there's going to be pressure brought to drive a wedge between you and grover norquist. >> i steadfastly oppose tax increases on one group of americans. if we're going to raise taxes, we are going to do them on everybody. i don't think everybody's taxes ought to be raised. >> now, is this what they are afraid of, grover norquist, rush limbaugh, governor? is this because...
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grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i t
grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the...
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consider also grover norquist. grover norquist is the guy who founded the pressure group club for growth. he's the one with the pledge about the republicans never raising taxes no matter what. he has been telling republicans this week that it is okay, it is okay by him if republicans support john boehner's latest proposal in his negotiations with president obama. this plan b thing. "the l.a. times." grover norquist signs off on boehner's plan b tax proposal. that was yesterday morning. then yesterday afternoon grover norquist came out and said he does not want to be misconstrued as being in favor of john boehner's plan b tax proposal. huh? so jim demint, leader of the conservatives in the senate, on his way out the door from the senate to go run a pressure work that's saying don't do what john boehner wants. and on his way out the door to go run that group jim demint says don't listen to pressure groups. then you've got dick armey's group saying what john boehner's doing is good news and also, they're against it. t
consider also grover norquist. grover norquist is the guy who founded the pressure group club for growth. he's the one with the pledge about the republicans never raising taxes no matter what. he has been telling republicans this week that it is okay, it is okay by him if republicans support john boehner's latest proposal in his negotiations with president obama. this plan b thing. "the l.a. times." grover norquist signs off on boehner's plan b tax proposal. that was yesterday...
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as arrogant as grover norquist is, i think he'll see some real erosion. >> congresswoman, thanks for your time tonight. >> always. thank you, reverend al. >>> ahead, we thought the relationship cooled but tonight we have new inside details of what happened between mitt romney and chris christie in the final week of the election. >>> all of a sudden scott walker wants to change 40-year-old voting law. gee, i wonder why? my commentary's coming up. this is "politicsnation," only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go like a pro. yes, it is. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot?
as arrogant as grover norquist is, i think he'll see some real erosion. >> congresswoman, thanks for your time tonight. >> always. thank you, reverend al. >>> ahead, we thought the relationship cooled but tonight we have new inside details of what happened between mitt romney and chris christie in the final week of the election. >>> all of a sudden scott walker wants to change 40-year-old voting law. gee, i wonder why? my commentary's coming up. this is...
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the circumstances change and you can't be wedded to some formula by grover norquist. it's who the hell is grover norquist, anyway, which is fighting words. >> i was expecting w. to say that. it was kind of cool, it was neat, it was massively rad being president. the interesting thing is as soon as a republican gets out of power, out of the white house, it seems that the next generation comes along and really mystifies them. george h.w. bush was mystified by the neocon hold on his son going into the iraq war. ronald reagan of course would be drummed out of the party for suggesting a 15% tax rate was too low. so there's a sort of evolution -- >> mythology is a different story. i think you're absolutely right there. this is this kind of nostalgia that is built upon corruption and amnesia. what we have to do is hold steady the notion that these guys were doing -- and lady -- were doing great things for america. we've got to deny every index that they were horrible, then we've got to reinvent them as great icons who are out of step with the bad republicans. >> i don't thin
the circumstances change and you can't be wedded to some formula by grover norquist. it's who the hell is grover norquist, anyway, which is fighting words. >> i was expecting w. to say that. it was kind of cool, it was neat, it was massively rad being president. the interesting thing is as soon as a republican gets out of power, out of the white house, it seems that the next generation comes along and really mystifies them. george h.w. bush was mystified by the neocon hold on his son...
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. >> john, do you think that republicans realize that grover norquist has led them out on a limb here because a bloomberg poll found that almost 7 in 10 americans favor raising taxes on those earning more than a quarter million. >> right, but you have a bunch of people on capitol hill who are enthralled of a primary challenge coming from the right and a lot of people on the hill are far right. you can only imagine the kind of challenge they would get if they did not adhere to the pledge to never raise taxes ever at any point. and this other thing to keep in mind, the president's trying to keep the middle class tax cuts in place and one of the reasons why he wants to do that, one, bring relief to the middle class, but also, this was all caught up in the conversation about reducing the deficit. if you look at the total cost of those bush tax cuts for everyone, you could wipe out a good chunk of the deficit this country has. >> indeed. joan, romney is hitting the president for not understanding how the private economy works. take a listen to this piece of sound first. >> do you believe t
. >> john, do you think that republicans realize that grover norquist has led them out on a limb here because a bloomberg poll found that almost 7 in 10 americans favor raising taxes on those earning more than a quarter million. >> right, but you have a bunch of people on capitol hill who are enthralled of a primary challenge coming from the right and a lot of people on the hill are far right. you can only imagine the kind of challenge they would get if they did not adhere to the...
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. >> unfortunately, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy. >>> coming up here, the it's top economic adviser alan krueger. clashes in cairo today, more protests in tahrir square against egypt's president morsi. we'll have a live report. move over george clooney the on yan's kim junge un the sexiest man alive and beijing doesn't get the joke. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. no joke today on capitol hill. ambassador susan rice's attempt to clear the air with republicans over benghazi did not work as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we ar
. >> unfortunately, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy....
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getting away from grover norquist, he's one man. the taxes i don't think we'll ever see republican party move away from. >> half the americans trust the president more in handling of negotiations. the majority says he has a clear mandate from the november election. 68% on reducing taxes on the wealthy. if both sides get blame, don't republicans get more out of the hurt on this one? >> if we go over the cliff next month, both sides will be hurt. the polls say that the president has a mandate. voters do support raising taxes. both have the upper hand but still it will damage both parties. 59% of the republicans in the poll say let's reach a deal. at this point, i'm not sure why the republican party is not moving towards where the voters of their own party are. >> governor, we hear the age-old adage trust but verify. are we watching the trenches of this trust just getting deeper in washington, d.c. as negotiations sputter along? and can the two sides actually bridge a compromise on this to show that they can move washington, d.c. forwa
getting away from grover norquist, he's one man. the taxes i don't think we'll ever see republican party move away from. >> half the americans trust the president more in handling of negotiations. the majority says he has a clear mandate from the november election. 68% on reducing taxes on the wealthy. if both sides get blame, don't republicans get more out of the hurt on this one? >> if we go over the cliff next month, both sides will be hurt. the polls say that the president has a...
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. >> that says a lot that he's grover norquist's favorite candidate. bobby jindal gives them the diversity because he's not a boring white guy, as we say. he's from a state they've already got. his big issue is drilling and school vouchers. i don't think that that's necessarily great selling point nationwide. and he's not that articulate or at least he's not that charismatic, let's just say. and there's a charisma gap between the two tickets. i agree with you, him versus joe biden, i don't know, joe biden has the sort of every man thing going for him. i'm not sure bobby jindal can pull that off. >> sometimes these lists show you how weak the lists are. he should not be on a serious vice presidential list for a party that has a really good bench to choose from. but he's on it because they don't have great people to look into. >> yeah, i think martinez would be a more interesting pick, obviously than bobby jindal. and he really flubbed the audition when people felt he looked more like kenneth the page in his response to the state of the union. i don't th
. >> that says a lot that he's grover norquist's favorite candidate. bobby jindal gives them the diversity because he's not a boring white guy, as we say. he's from a state they've already got. his big issue is drilling and school vouchers. i don't think that that's necessarily great selling point nationwide. and he's not that articulate or at least he's not that charismatic, let's just say. and there's a charisma gap between the two tickets. i agree with you, him versus joe biden, i...
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grover norquist was on. i want your response to this. he commented on romney's loss. let's play it quickly, please. >> well, we just had an election, and the house of representatives was elected, committed to keeping taxes low. the president was committed, elected on the basis that he was not romney and romney was a poopy head and you should vote against romney. he won by two points, but he didn't make the case to have higher taxes and higher spending. he kind of sounded like the opposite. >> does grover norquist have any influence in this tax debate as we move aahead with the fiscal cliff or whatever you like to call it that is looming? nia? >> i think he does certainly from the far right of his party. you saw boehner say that the party wants to be led. they want to be led as americans, not republicans. again, i think you have somebody like bill crystal who comes out and says republicans need to be more flexible in terms of talking about tax reform. i think norquist in that clip showed a real misreading of what the election was really about. i prish his use of the wo
grover norquist was on. i want your response to this. he commented on romney's loss. let's play it quickly, please. >> well, we just had an election, and the house of representatives was elected, committed to keeping taxes low. the president was committed, elected on the basis that he was not romney and romney was a poopy head and you should vote against romney. he won by two points, but he didn't make the case to have higher taxes and higher spending. he kind of sounded like the...
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it's one thing to have grover norquist and the tax swing of the republican party. it's quite another thing to stir up the most insidious feelings in this country, and howard is right, there are people here in this swing state here who will respond to it. there are people everywhere. and the real issue here, as howard points out, is romney silence. chris, today on a program, on the nbc affiliate here, the most visible romney surrogate in this stake, lieutenant governor. he's an icon. we appreciate his assistance. >> the problem is romney looks like the apprentice here. he doesn't look like the boss. he looks like "the apprentice" on nbc. here's romney telling reporters in his campaign plan that he doesn't hold the same views as his supporters. boy, isn't this special. let's watch. >> i don't agree with all the people who support me. my guess is they don't agree with everything i believe in, but i need to get 50.1% or more, and i'm appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people. >> you know, howard, remember what he said when somebody said give me an adjective
it's one thing to have grover norquist and the tax swing of the republican party. it's quite another thing to stir up the most insidious feelings in this country, and howard is right, there are people here in this swing state here who will respond to it. there are people everywhere. and the real issue here, as howard points out, is romney silence. chris, today on a program, on the nbc affiliate here, the most visible romney surrogate in this stake, lieutenant governor. he's an icon. we...
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this is a game to nullify grover norquist. some members put forth an option to tax the first $400,000 of income and people making more than that at 35%. all that does is increase everybody's taxes over 400,000 by 30,000. somebody at 450,000 gets hurt badly and somebody at 20 million isn't touched at all. >> honestly, those are the number that is make some people's head spin and makes -- >> i understand, absolutely. >> and the average constituent say i don't know what's going on here. what is your message to folks? what should they be looking at and how do they figure out where they stand on this? as you may well know, the obama administration is trying to get all of those people who voted for the president to come on board and say this is what we want and to press congress to make a deal but it is sort of hard to figure out what is fair. >> exactly. i said to my staff last week we need a big charge that shows the options and how much money is delivered or caused by each step we might take. i think for the most americans they h
this is a game to nullify grover norquist. some members put forth an option to tax the first $400,000 of income and people making more than that at 35%. all that does is increase everybody's taxes over 400,000 by 30,000. somebody at 450,000 gets hurt badly and somebody at 20 million isn't touched at all. >> honestly, those are the number that is make some people's head spin and makes -- >> i understand, absolutely. >> and the average constituent say i don't know what's going...
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grover norquist or warren buffett? >> well, who knows more about tax policy? i'm not sure we're going to choose from the two of them. but i can tell you this the right course for america is not to raise taxes on americans. i understand that president obama and people of his political persuasion would like to take more money from the american people. and they want to do that so they can continue to grow government. but the answer for america is not to grow government. it is to shrink government. we've been going over the last 20, 30, 40 years, government keeps growing at a faster rate relative to inflation. we've got to stop the extraordinary spending in this country. that's why i put out a plan that reduces government spending, i cut -- i cut programs, a whole series of programs, by the way the number one cut is obama care. that saves $95 billion a year. just as rick indicated, return to states a whole series of programs, food stamps, housing vouchers, medicaid, and then set how much goes to them. and finally with regard to entitlement, in the entitlement area
grover norquist or warren buffett? >> well, who knows more about tax policy? i'm not sure we're going to choose from the two of them. but i can tell you this the right course for america is not to raise taxes on americans. i understand that president obama and people of his political persuasion would like to take more money from the american people. and they want to do that so they can continue to grow government. but the answer for america is not to grow government. it is to shrink...
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i don't know what it is -- the thing also grover norquist won't be relevant anymore. it's never been relevant. i just hope it will be the end of that pledge entirely. >> it may break it. >> thank you broet for joining me tonight. >>> it turns out women did have a legitimate way to shut down that whole thing. an historic night for women candidates. and soul searching, if there are souls in the republican party, over how to fix their demographic disaster, if they can fix it. that's coming up. last thanksgiving, about 2 million people tried to deep-fat-fry their turkey. 15 succeeded in setting their houses on fire. at christmas, there was a lot of driving over the river and through the woods. and a little bit of skidding on the ice and taking out grandma's garage door. so while you're celebrating, allstate will be standing by. trouble never takes a holiday. neither should your insurance. that's allstate's stand. are you in good hands? ♪ the capability of a pathfinder with the comfort of a sedan? ♪ so you went right back to the pathfinder's essence, kept its dna, and
i don't know what it is -- the thing also grover norquist won't be relevant anymore. it's never been relevant. i just hope it will be the end of that pledge entirely. >> it may break it. >> thank you broet for joining me tonight. >>> it turns out women did have a legitimate way to shut down that whole thing. an historic night for women candidates. and soul searching, if there are souls in the republican party, over how to fix their demographic disaster, if they can fix it....
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i don't know what it is -- the thing also grover norquist won't be relevant anymore. it's never been relevant. i just hope it will be the end of that pledge entirely. >> it may break it. >> thank you broet for joining me tonight. >>> it turns out women did have a legitimate way to shut down that whole thing. an historic night for women candidates. and soul searching, if there are souls in the republican party, over how to fix their demographic disaster, if they can fix it. that's coming up. now, here's one that will make you feel alive. meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you get, don't you see? cause c-max has lots more horsepower than prius v, a hybrid that c-max also bests in mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. i wish my patients could see what i see. ♪ that over time, having high cholesterol and any of these risk factors can put them at increased risk for plaque buildup in their arteries. so it's even more important to lower their cholesterol, and that's why, when diet and exercise alone
i don't know what it is -- the thing also grover norquist won't be relevant anymore. it's never been relevant. i just hope it will be the end of that pledge entirely. >> it may break it. >> thank you broet for joining me tonight. >>> it turns out women did have a legitimate way to shut down that whole thing. an historic night for women candidates. and soul searching, if there are souls in the republican party, over how to fix their demographic disaster, if they can fix it....
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prominent republicans have been turning away from another well-known member of the party, grover norquist and his tax pled pledge. house speaker boehner, corker, mccain and coburn have hint ed. >> i think those newly elected republicans are looking at the idea of pledges going into the congress and in serving as maybe a hindrance to governance. and you need to have everything considered on the table and i think the speaker's leadership in this regard will be very helpful to carving out that pathway that they're going to need, that he's going to need to strike a deal with the president. it doesn't mean that rates are going to go up but some level of taxes, whether it's through loophole closings are or whatever, the speaker considering he needs to have the leverage to have those things on the table and he can not have one arm tied hyped his back because of some pledge that was, you know, evoked by a member they ran ten years ago or certainly as we've seen new members saying, no, i think i want to govern and worry less about pledges. >> senator, grover norquist argues history would suggest o
prominent republicans have been turning away from another well-known member of the party, grover norquist and his tax pled pledge. house speaker boehner, corker, mccain and coburn have hint ed. >> i think those newly elected republicans are looking at the idea of pledges going into the congress and in serving as maybe a hindrance to governance. and you need to have everything considered on the table and i think the speaker's leadership in this regard will be very helpful to carving out...
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the gop tax-free ring leader grover norquist. he says, quote, obama condition sit there and let all the tax cuts lapse and then the republicans will have enough votes in the senate in 2014 to impeach. impeach? impeach the president for disagreeing with your policies? they are doing anything to disgrace this president. and i find it truly appalling. joining me now is msnbc analyst richard wolffe and david corn, msnbc political analyst and mother jones washington bureau chief. thanks to both of you for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> sure thing. >> richard, let me start with you. can you believe how low they're going? >> sadly, i can, yes, reverend. this has been going on for a very long time. and your opener was right in the sense that you linked together the strengths of the president with the sort of edge of these attacks because what we saw from day one was an arc straighted campaign of vilifcation of this president. he won big. he won in states that democrats didn't normally win in, and the strategy, the explicit s
the gop tax-free ring leader grover norquist. he says, quote, obama condition sit there and let all the tax cuts lapse and then the republicans will have enough votes in the senate in 2014 to impeach. impeach? impeach the president for disagreeing with your policies? they are doing anything to disgrace this president. and i find it truly appalling. joining me now is msnbc analyst richard wolffe and david corn, msnbc political analyst and mother jones washington bureau chief. thanks to both of...
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does he have to go back to his constituents, grover norquist, can't touch revenues, the neocons, the religion right. does he have to check back because he doesn't have a personal core? >> right. and so, you know, if they won't buy it in brown, let's make it in blue. that sort of business mindset i think he brings to everything he does. and so, you know, they wanted severely conservative rhetoric during the primary, so he gave it to them. now he thinks they want different rhetoric. >> campaigning in ohio vice president biden pointed out as romney plays up his bipartisanship, he may find his biggest headaches come from his own party. as i was suggesting. let's listen. >> ask them the question, when have you ever seen governor romney take on the establishment of his party? what do you think prospects are that governor romney would attempt to do any of the things he now says he supports? what do you think the chances of him doing that with the republican-controlled congress? what do you think the chances are he's going to tell the people, you know, you're dead wrong. that's basically wha
does he have to go back to his constituents, grover norquist, can't touch revenues, the neocons, the religion right. does he have to check back because he doesn't have a personal core? >> right. and so, you know, if they won't buy it in brown, let's make it in blue. that sort of business mindset i think he brings to everything he does. and so, you know, they wanted severely conservative rhetoric during the primary, so he gave it to them. now he thinks they want different rhetoric....
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and thomas, you know, "usa today" has a story about grover norquist talking about the stalemate. americans for tax reform president grover norquist whose anti-tax oath has been signed by almost every republican member of congress is girding for a fight if obama is re-elected. no compromise norquist said adding his prediction for an obama second term there's a stalemate. if romney is elected it's putting the ryan budget into law. we don't need a president we need a zombie who has functioning digits or can sign his name on a dotted line. let's pick two scenarios here. if the president is re-elected how does he deal with a tea party that sounds as it's going to be agreb gressive as ever and grover who is pushing for hardlines no legislation. >> he beats them and the way to do that is to take advantage of the fiscal cliff. let it slide a bit, to create a new status quo in which republicans have an incentive to pass affirmative legislation that the president will sign into law, at the same time, there are a group of more problem solving republicans in the senate who don't want to spen
and thomas, you know, "usa today" has a story about grover norquist talking about the stalemate. americans for tax reform president grover norquist whose anti-tax oath has been signed by almost every republican member of congress is girding for a fight if obama is re-elected. no compromise norquist said adding his prediction for an obama second term there's a stalemate. if romney is elected it's putting the ryan budget into law. we don't need a president we need a zombie who has...
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watch grover norquists people go to work here. let's listen. >> well, i'm going to ask a question to everyone on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal, 10 to 1 as byron said, spending cuts to tax increases, speaker you're shaking your head. who on this stage would walk away from that deal? raise your hand if you would feel so strongly about not raising taxes you would walk away on the 10 to 1 deal some. >> joining me to review that list of greatness, another highlights and low lights of the primary season, michael steele, who never had a year like this. always a success over there. t"the huffington post." that was a scene. you come from the roots of the republican party. let me ask you, was that a good day or bad day for the republicans when they went up like lockstep? >> one sense it was a bad day. interesting that later on, that huntsman said, you know, i probably should have raised my hand and said i would have taken the ten to one deal. i think he recognized after the fact that was a definitive movement wher
watch grover norquists people go to work here. let's listen. >> well, i'm going to ask a question to everyone on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal, 10 to 1 as byron said, spending cuts to tax increases, speaker you're shaking your head. who on this stage would walk away from that deal? raise your hand if you would feel so strongly about not raising taxes you would walk away on the 10 to 1 deal some. >> joining me to review that list of greatness, another...
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. >> let me ask you, you have a couple of senate republicans who have come out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do and the president believes this is let's go for the big deal. the only way that gets done is for republicans, again, to step back and get mercilessly criticized by grover norquist on the right, and it means democrats have to do tough things on spending and entitlements that they get criticized by the left. >> before you respond to plouffe, let me play what congressman peter defazio said on "news nation" when he was our guest yesterday. >> i'm not going for a bad deal, and i think there's a quite a few for a bad deal. social security didn't cause the deficit. we don't need to cut social security to solve the
. >> let me ask you, you have a couple of senate republicans who have come out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do...
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and we've spent a lot of time talking about grover norquist, another person out of government in the mind of everyone serving in government. and that is a way to make change. >> ryan, we talked about the heritage foundation. and if he is going to be an activist, is heritage the right place to go? senator demint is the one who said if we're able to stop obama on the affordable care act, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. the idea for an individual mandate which is the centerpiece of the affordable care act was birthed at the heritage foundation. >> right. but i think jim demint can kind of shape the heritage foundation to his political will. and the fact that he is able to go to the heritage foundation actually says a lot about where the two parties are on the spectrum. you could never imagine a democratic senator the equivalent of demint. you know, you couldn't imagine somebody like bernie sanders, for instance. you couldn't imagine him going to run the center for progress there is too much daylight between the establishment in washington and the kind of left wing of the dem
and we've spent a lot of time talking about grover norquist, another person out of government in the mind of everyone serving in government. and that is a way to make change. >> ryan, we talked about the heritage foundation. and if he is going to be an activist, is heritage the right place to go? senator demint is the one who said if we're able to stop obama on the affordable care act, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. the idea for an individual mandate which is the centerpiece...
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grover norquist. what happens on the republicans side of the aisle with grover norquist? >> no compromise. never a compromise. >> none. the compromise will run six people against you and beat you in a primary. >> i simply would say the number of the political leaders and their constituencies that are resistant to what president obama has opposed i think would have a completely different perspective if they said, oaks, okay, so this tax rate is going up by the corporate tax rate is going down from 25% to 35%. there's a whole range of factors. obamacare will be revealed. there a whole range of factors that will be the contextual framework for desiding each issue. it's not a rifle shot decision. it got to be comprehensive. and i think grover norquist's position in the debate would be much different if the debate with were held with a comprehensive context. >> it would be weaker. >> his position would be weaker. it's very easy to campaign one way or the other against this individual change to the tax code. >> with richard and dan here, i want to get to two major foreign polic
grover norquist. what happens on the republicans side of the aisle with grover norquist? >> no compromise. never a compromise. >> none. the compromise will run six people against you and beat you in a primary. >> i simply would say the number of the political leaders and their constituencies that are resistant to what president obama has opposed i think would have a completely different perspective if they said, oaks, okay, so this tax rate is going up by the corporate tax...
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grover norquist or warren buffett? >> well, who knows more about tax policy? i'm not sure we're going to choose from the two of them. but i can tell you this the right course for america is not to raise taxes on americans. i understand that president obama and people of his political persuasion would like to take more money from the american people. and they want to do that so they can continue to grow government. but the answer for america is not to grow government. it is to sh rink government. we've been going over the last 20, 30, 40 years, government keeps growing at a faster rate relative to inflation. we've got to stop the extraordinary spending in this country. that's why i put out a plan that reduces government spending, i cut -- i cut programs, a whole series of programs, by the way the number one cut is obama care. that saves $95 billion a year. just as rick indicated, return to states a whole series of programs, food stamps, housing vouchers, medicaid, and then set how much goes to them. and finally with regard to entitlement, i do not want to chang
grover norquist or warren buffett? >> well, who knows more about tax policy? i'm not sure we're going to choose from the two of them. but i can tell you this the right course for america is not to raise taxes on americans. i understand that president obama and people of his political persuasion would like to take more money from the american people. and they want to do that so they can continue to grow government. but the answer for america is not to grow government. it is to sh rink...
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and i'm reminded of something grover norquist said which is pick a republican with enough working digits to handle a pen. that's all they see mitt romney as. they never thought of him as the ideas guy, the one to push the party forward and lead them in terms of policy. they always thought he would be the one to sign the ryan budget and the other ideas into law. clearly also paul ryan is the one who generates the most enthusiasm amongst the base. he's the one they're psyched to see and hear what he has to say. in that way, i think it is paul ryan's convention. >> now, we're told if associated press is correct, we're told by them that he's going to be short on policy, long on personality. but his policy that made paul ryan the nominee. and firing up the base that crystal's talking about. help fact check me on this. you're the policy man. let's look at his budget cuts, for example. $3.3 trillion in cuts to low income programs. >> yep. >> 62% of total cuts is where he wants to go. $3.3 trillion in programs for low income people. then let's go to medicare. he wants to turn medicare into a vou
and i'm reminded of something grover norquist said which is pick a republican with enough working digits to handle a pen. that's all they see mitt romney as. they never thought of him as the ideas guy, the one to push the party forward and lead them in terms of policy. they always thought he would be the one to sign the ryan budget and the other ideas into law. clearly also paul ryan is the one who generates the most enthusiasm amongst the base. he's the one they're psyched to see and hear what...
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norquist pledge a little bit. saxby chambliss, marco rubio, lindsey graham. patty murray. a leader of the party's left wing. she's saying, basically, look, the cliff to me for politics and substance is not the worst deal in the world. it's a terrible deal if we can't get those tax hikes. again, if we can't win this fight now and change that discussion, let's go over the cliff. i'm kind of watching her to see what she says. because it kind of tells you how the president and his team are communicating with the democrats and what the negotiating room is going to be on entitlements. >> nick, thanks so much for that insight. >> thank you guys. >>> next, mitt at the white house? don't be alarmed. he's just having lunch with the president. too bad the president already ate his lunch. >> oh! >> how we think that conversation went as "the cycle" rolls on for thursday, november 29th. we're at walmart with the simmons family. how much is your current phone bill? four sixteen seventy six a month! okay, come with me -- we're g
norquist pledge a little bit. saxby chambliss, marco rubio, lindsey graham. patty murray. a leader of the party's left wing. she's saying, basically, look, the cliff to me for politics and substance is not the worst deal in the world. it's a terrible deal if we can't get those tax hikes. again, if we can't win this fight now and change that discussion, let's go over the cliff. i'm kind of watching her to see what she says. because it kind of tells you how the president and his team are...
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it's bad for grover norquist but good for america and should be the end of asymmetrical tax policies where rates only go down, they never go up. that said, look, there may need to be some entitlements on the table. the president has already done so in his 2013 budget with medicare and medicaid. niece are cuts largely to providers. they don't affect beneficiaries, particularly vulnerable beneficiaries and that's okay. >> the left wants -- they won the election. which is fair. i think you should get a 60/40 deal after an election, even if a divided government. if you win the election, you should get the best deal. my best deal would be the president put his teeth marks into the neck of the rich right now and say, your rates are going up, buddy. i'm not going to go sorting around looking for deductions and screw the temples and churches around the world. i still want you to give to charitable groups but i'm taking your rate up where it was under clinton when you were fat and happy so you have no complaints. we're going back to where we were in the '90s. i think if you did that, i think
it's bad for grover norquist but good for america and should be the end of asymmetrical tax policies where rates only go down, they never go up. that said, look, there may need to be some entitlements on the table. the president has already done so in his 2013 budget with medicare and medicaid. niece are cuts largely to providers. they don't affect beneficiaries, particularly vulnerable beneficiaries and that's okay. >> the left wants -- they won the election. which is fair. i think you...
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you have grover norquist roaming the earth in his white robe saying if you raise tax one penny, he'll defeat you. he can't murder you. you can't burn your own house. if you want to be a purist, go somewhere on a mountaintop and pray to the east or something. but if you want to be in politics, you learn to compromise. show me a guy who won't compromise and i'll show you a guy with rock for brains. >> go to a mountain somewhere i love that. finally, here's a question. and praise the east. what's it called in the world of twitter when one of your tweets adds up to exactly the 140-character limit? well, president obama got the answer to that question during a twitter q and a after an event recently in iowa. >> i demand for twitter. >> that's zero characters left. that's the perfect tweet. >> whats that called? >> a twoosh. a twitter swoosh. >> i'm the twoosh master. >> thank you so much, sir. >> you have it. that is called a twoosh when you have the perfect number of characters. i guess like a swoosh in basketball. all net. >>> how few billionaires in this country on the right, of course,
you have grover norquist roaming the earth in his white robe saying if you raise tax one penny, he'll defeat you. he can't murder you. you can't burn your own house. if you want to be a purist, go somewhere on a mountaintop and pray to the east or something. but if you want to be in politics, you learn to compromise. show me a guy who won't compromise and i'll show you a guy with rock for brains. >> go to a mountain somewhere i love that. finally, here's a question. and praise the east....
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norquist. eugene robinson writing perhaps an optimistic op-ed yesterday that says maybe the fever is breaking, maybe the delirrium is lifting. maybe republicans are asking themselves what were we thinking when we put an ya surds l unrealistic pledge to a lobbyist in washington. this comes on the heels of a few saying they might be open to tax. >> [ inaudible ] there's also, you know, the republican study committee and all of the kind of ideological mechanisms that have been pushing the republican party to the right. >> and the whole tea party. >> the tea party. >> and wealthy people. >> so that's the key here. for me what's interesting about this, this is a probe into the ceo's soul. if you look at cnbc, the ceos are going like the apocalypse. >> december 21st. >> and what's interesting here is, is the business community, the chamber of commerce, which has real leverage over the republicans, going to back up that emotion and push them to cut a deal even if at the risk of giving something on hig
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not according to the most influential in washington, grover norquist. according to norquist, mitt romney is not supposed to do anything except what the republicans tell him to. >> we don't need a president to tell us what direction to go. we know what direction we want to go. we want the paul ryan budget which cuts spending $6 trillion. the republicans in the house passed 24-plus bills that create jobs and opportunity and strip out regulations. we just need a president to sign this stuff. we don't need someone to think it up or design it. we have a house and a senate. the leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the house and the senate. >> so what he's saying is all they really need is a waffler in chief. this is the republican vision for american leadership. do it our way and that's it. they reject any attempt to stimulate the economy or pass legislation to help create jobs in this country. they openly brag about that, you know, their plan is to make president obama a one-term president. they kill
not according to the most influential in washington, grover norquist. according to norquist, mitt romney is not supposed to do anything except what the republicans tell him to. >> we don't need a president to tell us what direction to go. we know what direction we want to go. we want the paul ryan budget which cuts spending $6 trillion. the republicans in the house passed 24-plus bills that create jobs and opportunity and strip out regulations. we just need a president to sign this stuff....
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if this really is a genuine grover norquist piece of literature how did he get a reputation for being good at politics? >> i don't know why mitt romney didn't say a lot of you americans across the country have donated to my campaign. we're talking $50 billion worth of damage. why don't you give to the red cross? i mean he j
if this really is a genuine grover norquist piece of literature how did he get a reputation for being good at politics? >> i don't know why mitt romney didn't say a lot of you americans across the country have donated to my campaign. we're talking $50 billion worth of damage. why don't you give to the red cross? i mean he j
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norquist that we have to raise revenue, get rid of tax loopholes, may have to get rid of the bush tax cuts and the wealthiest people in the country. it concerned me. i also wanted to write a book that made people feel the fun and exhilaration and wackynesin in the a life of public service. andrea, i thought, people can sfwerpt nip way they want. i treated the president very well. i said he's a non-wuss and gave three examples. one, the president continued the financial bailout even though everyone in country hated it, and it would have been easy for him to stop it and blame it on president bush. it would have been politically popular. it would have been the wrong thing to do, it would have hurt the country and maybe hurt the world. two, he went forward on the auto bailout, even though he had very little support among republicans. everyone was criticizing him, but he knew it was the right thing for detroit and it paid off big time. three, health care. his advisers said go slow. do popular insurance reform first. the president knew he would only have these majority of votes once and wou
norquist that we have to raise revenue, get rid of tax loopholes, may have to get rid of the bush tax cuts and the wealthiest people in the country. it concerned me. i also wanted to write a book that made people feel the fun and exhilaration and wackynesin in the a life of public service. andrea, i thought, people can sfwerpt nip way they want. i treated the president very well. i said he's a non-wuss and gave three examples. one, the president continued the financial bailout even though...